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  <title>Comments for <![CDATA[And Jeffrey said, &quot;To Hell&quot;]]></title>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063</id>
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    <published>2005-02-18T03:22:43Z</published>
    <updated>2005-08-12T06:49:57Z</updated>
    <title>And Jeffrey said, &quot;To Hell&quot;</title>
    <summary>Four years ago, Jeffrey Zeldman said, &quot;To Hell With Bad Browsers&quot; and ended up changing the web. That&apos;s damned impressive. I&apos;d never really been a...</summary>
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      <name>Anil</name>
      <uri>http://anildash.com/</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Four years ago, Jeffrey Zeldman said, "<a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/tohell/">To Hell With Bad Browsers</a>" and ended up changing the web. That's damned impressive.</p>

<p>I'd never really been a web geek before 1999 or so, and I started by reading the specs, so I actually only had one structural table and did all my styling with <span class="caps">CSS </span>for as long as I've had my blog. But I didn't get just how dramatic an impact the act of drawing a line in the sand would be. That article is the reason that Microsoft's homepage almost validates today, and that it's not even newsworthy when, say, McAfee launches a standards-compliant website.</p>

<p>It's a dramatic testament to the impact that a single person with an articulate voice, a passion for the subject, and a lot of patience can have on a discipline. Even better, Zeldman worked with many of the other leading lights of the time, who influenced the work, helped refine techniques, and collaborated with an amazing lack of contention. And today, it's made my job, and the jobs of nearly everyone I work with, a million times simpler, faster, and more satisfying.</p>

<p>Netscape 4, you are not missed.</p>]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4220</id>
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    <title>Comment from MMM on 2005-02-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>MMM</name>
        <uri>http://www.subzeroblue.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you.<br />
Thumbs up for the great Jeffrey Zeldman :)</p>

<p>Anyway, sometimes I do miss Netscape 4.7 especially when the site is being tested with the horrible Netscape 6.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-18T04:48:04Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4233</id>
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    <title>Comment from Matthew on 2005-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matthew</name>
        <uri>http://audienceofone.org.uk/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2005-02-18T13:27:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4234</id>
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    <title>Comment from adam on 2005-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>adam</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>and I now get to go home early sometimes too!</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-18T14:00:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4235</id>
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    <title>Comment from adam on 2005-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>adam</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>and I now get to go home early sometimes too!</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-18T14:01:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4236</id>
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    <title>Comment from porneL on 2005-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>porneL</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Isn't it the right time to say the same thing about IE6 (and most likely IE7)?</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-18T14:29:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4237</id>
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    <title>Comment from mayu on 2005-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>mayu</name>
        <uri>http://www.myudesign.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We've come a long way, haven't we?</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-18T22:35:32Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4241</id>
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    <title>Comment from donnie j on 2005-02-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>donnie j</name>
        <uri>http://www.fasterslower.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Here here, now how about, "TO HELL WITH ADS ON BLOGS!"</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-21T16:05:41Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4243</id>
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    <title>Comment from tom sherman on 2005-02-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>tom sherman</name>
        <uri>http://underscorebleach.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Now only if Zeldman could learn the simple lesson of separating his code commentary from his politics.  I know that's asking for too much maturity.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-22T00:17:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4246</id>
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    <title>Comment from Anil Dash on 2005-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Anil Dash</name>
        <uri>http://www.anildash.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>one could make the (very strong) argument that *you* should separate his code from his politics, given that he's gifting the web with so much of his efforts for free.</p>

<p>to extend one of jeffrey's analogies, it's like going to dinner at your friend's house, accepting his food, and then telling him to shut up during dinner because you don't like his politics.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-23T00:11:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2005:/anil//1.2063-comment:4249</id>
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    <title>Comment from tom sherman on 2005-02-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>tom sherman</name>
        <uri>http://underscorebleach.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have.  I don't read him anymore.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-02-23T21:56:30Z</published>
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