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  <title>Comments for Return of the Dot-Coms</title>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640</id>
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    <published>2003-05-01T13:45:49Z</published>
    <updated>2005-08-12T06:49:44Z</updated>
    <title>Return of the Dot-Coms</title>
    <summary>It&apos;s been a few years since I had a dot-com that I really, really liked. Sure, we&apos;ve had Amazon and Google looking out for us...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Anil</name>
      <uri>http://anildash.com/</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>It's been a few years since I had a dot-com that I really, really liked. Sure, we've had Amazon and Google looking out for us these past few years, but it was fun during the boom to have the pets.com sock puppet and Kozmo's orange-clad deliverymen all over the place. I'm quite surprised to have had some of that sense of fun return lately.</p>
<p>The dot-com that's caught my eye is <a href="http://www.freshdirect.com">FreshDirect</a>. Their basic premise isn't very new, indeed, it seems virtually indistinguishable from a HomeRuns or Peapod at first, since they just deliver groceries to your door when you order them from their website. And they've even got the very 1999 model of giving you $50 worth of free groceries on your first order. But the similarities end when you consider that they're actually in danger of being somewhat <em>successful</em>.</p>
<p>Now, the reason you may not have heard of FreshDirect is because of their market: New York City. They only deliver to parts of Manhattan and Queens, and they don't <em>ever</em> intend to grow outside of NYC's boundaries, as far as I've seen. This makes a ton of sense, because we've got a densely-packed, fairly affluent population with almost no access to real grocery stores.</p>
<p>I'll pause to explain, for those of you who aren't familiar with New York City and its culture, that we don't really have supermarkets or grocery stores as they exist in the suburbs or in smaller cities. Most people get their groceries through a combination of specialty stores, small markets, corner convenience stores, and farmers' markets that are set up around the city. Hippies also exercise the co-op option. But big, acres-of-parking, miles-of-aisles supermarkets with their own in-house post office and bank branch simply don't fit into our city.</p>
<p>There are upscale boutique supermarkets in nearly every neighborhood in Manhattan, since there's a disproportionate number of foodies in this town. And then there's the Fairway Uptown in Harlem, which was created by the same guy who went on to found FreshDirect. The Fairway Uptown is known for extremely fresh food and relatively cheap prices. FreshDirect has both of those, plus the convenience of delivery scheduled in two hour windows. In a town where nobody owns a car, delivery of groceries is a <em>big</em> deal.</p>
<p>They've understood the culture of the city pretty well, offering delivery times that start at 6pm and don't end until midnight, which does a good job of reflecting the actual times when Manhattanites might be at home. And the quality of the food is <em>extraordinary</em>, besting even the produce at the frou-frou foodie stores, and coming in cheaper than the local ghetto mart's square, hard tomatoes. In all, they've got a hit.</p>
<p>One of my few disappointments with the cancellation of this year's <a href="http://www.webbyawards.com/main/">Webby Awards</a> ceremonies is that I was hoping to meet the Fresh Direct folks if they'd have gone. But they're probably not too worried about winning awards, as the bigger accomplishment is that their business model is <em>actually working</em>. On my block alone, I've seen their delivery guys stopping at every single building with the boxes emblazoned with the green FreshDirect logo on them, and then of course we seem the boxes again the next day when all those people put them out for recycling. I was looking around while walking the dog, and it occurs to me that New York hasn't had this much crushed cardboard lying around since the last time they filmed a David Blaine TV special.</p>
<p>So, it's great news. Exciting to see companies that perform a useful service, make a decent profit, accomplish these goals elegantly, and best of all, use the web effectively and indispensably to run their business. That's what I'd always figured the web would be.</p>]]>
      
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1918</id>
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    <title>Comment from PLC on 2003-05-01</title>
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        <name>PLC</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Has anyone (re)started a new Kozmo in NYC?  Home delivery businesses should naturally prosper in NYC due to reasons you've cited.  The earlier businesses went belly-up because they had to justify their valuation by expanding into unprofitable less-dense cities.</p>

<p>Conversely, other businesses waste tons of money trying to make it NYC when their business plans just don't work there.  </p>

<p>Entrepreneurs need to understand that NYC is nothing like the rest of the country.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T14:26:10Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1919</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marc Canter on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marc Canter</name>
        <uri>http://blogs.it/0100198</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I guess the only question is - will they deliver Serendipity Hot Fudge Sundaes or 2nd Ave. Deli kasha and varniskas?</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T15:03:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1920</id>
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    <title>Comment from Geof on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Geof</name>
        <uri>http://ijsm.org/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the days of the Everything-to-Everyone Web are gone, aren't they?  Thank God.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T15:25:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1921</id>
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    <title>Comment from Stefan Smalla on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Stefan Smalla</name>
        <uri>http://www.smalla.net/infofeed</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting background <a href="http://www.fortune.com/fortune/techatwork/articles/0,15704,390072,00.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> on Freshdirect from Fortune (September 2002).</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T15:34:28Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1922</id>
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    <title>Comment from sarah on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>sarah</name>
        <uri>http://www.alohamedia.net/sarah</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>wow, i am a hippie. i was immediately appalled that freshdirect would deliver in cardboard boxes. the grocery delivery out here (spud.ca) delivers by bike in reusable rubbermaid bins. i suppose that means i'm not the only hippie in town. local internet can be the best.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T16:27:26Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1923</id>
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    <title>Comment from rachelle on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>rachelle</name>
        <uri>http://www.rachelleb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>i agree with you on all these points, but im so annoyed that they wont deliver to my zip code in the west village. actually, what annoys me more is that i walk past an ad of theirs every day and know that the ad is placed in an area that they wont deliver.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T17:31:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1924</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lock on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lock</name>
        <uri>http://www.lockhartsteele.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Of course, FreshDirect loses coolness points for its <a href="http://www.svconline.com/ar/avinstall_install_month_7/" rel="nofollow">ungodly enormous billboard screen</a> ("the largest outdoor LED billboard in the world") that has been blazing bizarre FreshDirect cartoons near the Queens entrance to the the midtown tunnel for the past few years.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T18:00:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1925</id>
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    <title>Comment from DJSUBg on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>DJSUBg</name>
        <uri>http://www.turbanhead.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What about that netbased service where they delivered porn to you door?  I think they were based in NYC.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T18:23:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1926</id>
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    <title>Comment from Timothy Appnel on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Timothy Appnel</name>
        <uri>http://tima.mplode.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Certainly "expanding into unprofitable less-dense cities" expedited Kozmo's demise, but deliverying low margin items rapidly in NYC as Kozmo attempted is simply not a profitable model because of the logistics. Its certainly nice for the consumer. </p>

<p>Fresh Direct FAQ says that they will deliver your order as soon as the following day. This allows them to plot routes for their trucks and maximize their trucks and people's time.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-01T21:24:42Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1927</id>
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    <title>Comment from Donald on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donald</name>
        <uri>http://www.anzidesign.com/mt/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's May (not March) and they <b>still</b> don't deliver to my Harlem neighborhood.  What's that about - especially with Fairway Uptown being right down 125th Street?</p>

<p>Looks like the racist practices of Kozmo and urbanfetch all over again ...</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T01:14:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1928</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mike on 2003-05-01</title>
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        <name>Mike</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Fresh Direct doesn't deliver to Harlem.... or the West Village. How f'ing sad.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T03:17:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1929</id>
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    <title>Comment from lia on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>lia</name>
        <uri>http://cheesedip.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>Looks like the racist practices of Kozmo and urbanfetch all over again ...</i></p>

<p>Hold on there just a second, Donald! I live on the UWS near Zabar's and they only just started delivering to my neighborhood this past month -- after promising they'd be here late last year. Slow to expand? Certainly. Racist? Uh, no.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T03:48:26Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1930</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nancy on 2003-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nancy</name>
        <uri>http://pomes.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>not to be a nudgenik or anything, but the neighbordhood that Fairway Uptown is in, isnt really "harlem"...geographically, it might be "Harlem" but really, its "Morningside Heights" or "Upper West Side" or "lotsofrichwhitepeoplewhotoColumbia Avenue", otherwise known as Broadway.  Just a tip for those who might visit NYC and ask to be driven to Harlem, only to be dropped off on 125th Street, in front of the Adam Clayton Powell State Building, wandering around looking for this mythical market.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T03:54:52Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1931</id>
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    <title>Comment from Anil on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Anil</name>
        <uri>http://anildash.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Responding in reverse order: Nancy, you're absolutely right. I only described it as Harlem in deference to Fairway's own marketing materials. I do acknolwedge the distinction.</p>

<p>Regarding assertions of racism, FreshDirect's delivery warehouse is in Long Island City. Delivery areas seem to expand almost in perfect circles outward from that point, so I'd not really malign them as biased, especially given the people they employ in that struggling neighborhoood.</p>

<p>Despite Kozmo's forays into foolishly low-margin products in Manhattan, I have it on good authority that their effort for the entirety of New York City was profitable, and that it was only the efforts in other, lesser, cities with their lower densities that humbled that bastion of convenience.</p>

<p>The porn delivery service here in Manhattan is <a href="http://www.cityvice.com" rel="nofollow">City Vice</a>, which seems to be doing well. Delivery of porn videos was a substantial source of income for erstwhile Kozmo competitor UrbanFetch.</p>

<p>And first responses last, Paul, it's good to find something else we entirely agree upon. I don't doubt that Kozmo will someday return to our fair city. I'll be the first to place an order.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T05:10:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1932</id>
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    <title>Comment from hugh on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>hugh</name>
        <uri>http://www.gapingvoid.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>havng launced my website years after the dotcom boom, i'm glad i did. now i don't have any expectations to fulfill except my own. i think a lot of businesses failed during dotcom because they weren't allowed to grow orignically at their own natural pace- they had to ride the 'first to market' wave.<br />
kozmo is a classic example of this. they were told to expand in a certain direction, whether they wanted to or not. had they been allowed to grow just in areas that suited them, they would've been fine.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T06:42:46Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1933</id>
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    <title>Comment from Donald on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donald</name>
        <uri>http://www.anzidesign.com/mt/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Anil, that dichotomy of labor force and service distribution is exactly what I'm talking about.  In the case of <a href="http://siliconalley.venturereporter.net/issues/sar04142000.html#Headline3906" rel="nofollow">kozmo</a> and urbanfetch, why couldn't they provide their service to the neighborhoods where they got most of their delivery people?</p>

<p>Poor people, on foot, delivering luxury that they can't afford themselves to lazy, more financially successful people.  That's why I was glad to see them both go belly up.</p>

<p>In the case of FreshDirect, I'll be patient.  I love the consistent quality of Fairway and could really use a service that delivers similar quality to my doorstep.  Until then, Fairway delivers.</p>

<p>And Morningside Heights <i>is</i> Harlem.  Like <a href="http://www.centralparknyc.org/" rel="nofollow">Central Park</a> <i>is</i> <a href="http://www.uhb.fr/faulkner/ny/beforepark.htm" rel="nofollow">Seneca Village</a>.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T13:25:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1934</id>
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    <title>Comment from lia on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>lia</name>
        <uri>http://cheesedip.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>Poor people, on foot, delivering luxury that they can't afford themselves to lazy, more financially successful people. That's why I was glad to see them both go belly up.</i></p>

<p>I'm sure all the poor people who lost their jobs when Kozmo and UrbanFetch died appreciate your support, Donald. Because, really, nothing says "I Love You" more than "Glad you're unemployed!"</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T18:05:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Donald on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donald</name>
        <uri>http://www.anzidesign.com/mt/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lia, you forgot to add "... and unexploited." to your perception of what I <i>would</i> say.  See, you don't know me that well after all ...</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-02T20:00:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1936</id>
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    <title>Comment from Grant Barrett on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Grant Barrett</name>
        <uri>http://www.worldnewyork.net/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>Morningside Heights </i>is<i> Harlem.</i></p>

<p>I dunno if that's a jesting political statement or what, but it gave me an excuse to look at a lot of maps. </p>

<p>The Columbia area has been Morningside Heights for a long, long time. There have also been many other neighborhood names, which historically have been very elastic and have adjusted according to the ethnicity and class of a neighborhood's residents, and the desirability of the property. You'll even get city agencies which disagree, or at least show widely varying degrees of accuracy. For example:</p>

<p><a>MTA Bus Map</a><br />
<a>Department of City Planning</a>.</p>

<p>Neither is very accurate. They just stick on a big neighborhood label and let the margins define themselves. </p>

<p>In regards to the changing of neighborhood names, you can see several striking things about <a>this map from 1920.</a> Little Africa? Well, the neighborhood's there, it's just called something else. Little Italy is now Spanish Harlem; nothing's left of the Italian neighborhood except a couple of Italian restaurants, a barber and a bunch of ancient pensioners. </p>

<p>One thing you find consistent about historical maps of New York City is that Morningside Park appears to be a dividing line between Harlem and whatever the Columbia University area was called by the cartographer. For this reason, Harlem for me has alwasa been the neighborhood extending from the Harlem River which separates Manhattan from the Bronx. That leaves space to the north and west for Washington Heights, Manhattanville, Morningside Heights, Manhattan Valley, and one time <a>Bloomingdale</a>. You will consistently see the name "Harlem" applied more to the eastern side of the island, on maps as far back as 1868. <a>An example from 1903</a>, and for another see the Bloomingdale map above. Also, <a>this map from 1807</a>, which shows the "Haerlem Marsh" coming inland from the Harlem River to the east. (Also, check out the little known "Great Barn Island.")</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-03T02:18:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1937</id>
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    <title>Comment from Boris on 2003-05-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Boris</name>
        <uri>http://bopuc.levendis.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ah, online groceries... In 1996 I joined a young company that by the time the dot.bomb came around had wired up small grocers in major cities all over North America (San Fran, NYC, Chicago included) and were just about to expand into Europe. While WebVan and Peapod got all the press (the hooplah at first, the boohs in the end), our PeachTree Network thrived.</p>

<p>The business model was good: we built a system that allowed us to easily, quickly and cheaply set-up for grocers who already offered home delivery services. For a small fee and help doing data-entry, these grocers would be up and taking online orders within a month or two. </p>

<p>It all went well until they went corporate, public, greedy. Aw well. ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-03T02:22:31Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1938</id>
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    <title>Comment from lia on 2003-05-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>lia</name>
        <uri>http://cheesedip.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>Lia, you forgot to add "... and unexploited."</i></p>

<p>Cute (especially since I'm quite the socialist myself) but why are you insulting the intelligence of your neighbors? No one forced them into hard labor camps, and a job in hard times that doesn't involve illegal activities is better than no job, and c'mon, kozmo and urbanfetch weren't frigging sweatshops by any sense of the word.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-03T04:48:41Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1939</id>
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    <title>Comment from Vidiot on 2003-05-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Vidiot</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Their warehouse is in LIC?  Sure wish they delivered to Astoria.</p>

<p>I miss Kozmo -- I was living in Atlanta (and thus, I guess, partly responsible for its demise.)  Downtown Atlanta has NOTHING after 6pm, and I hated to have to get my car out just to go to the grocery store or rent a movie.  Kozmo was a godsend for the gallon of milk, the magazine, the rental DVD, the Ben & Jerry's fix.  </p>

<p>I did get a buncha cool movies when they liquidated though.</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-04T18:59:08Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1940</id>
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    <title>Comment from Matt on 2003-05-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt</name>
        <uri>http://www.bestkungfu.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's a bit simplistic and NYC-centric to say that it's a better business model or the makeup of the city that makes FreshDirect successful where others have failed. Everyone fulfilling local web-based deliveries has to have something intangible that the people want. In Orange County, CA, for example, you can compete with a brick-and-mortar supermarket by offering meat and produce that's better than industrial grade. In Atlanta, you sell less time sitting in 90-degree weather in traffic.</p>

<p>Really, though, the key metrics are "Time Spent Online Looking For Everything To Buy Relative To Going Out And Buying It Yourself" and "How Long Before Users Throw Their Hands Up In Frustration And Go Away Forever". If you handle both of those well, any mildly clueful business development team can make a successful online grocery site in most American cities larger than, say, 250,000. (I worked for HomeGrocer [erm, not <a href="http://www.homegrocer.com" rel="nofollow">this HG</a>, which just bought our identity], where they were <em>almost</em> that clueful, and then for Webvan, where they couldn't find their ass with a map, a compass, a mirror, an extra set of hands, and the audio book of "Finding Your Ass for Dummies".)</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-04T19:37:24Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1941</id>
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    <title>Comment from Chason on 2003-05-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chason</name>
        <uri>http://tape.witchycal.net/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As far as I'd ever read, Kozmo actually did very well for the people they employed as their wages were higher than any other bike delivery service in NYC, far steadier, and much easier work. Doesn't sound too much like exploitation to me...</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-06T00:59:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.dashes.com,2003:/anil//1.1640-comment:1942</id>
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    <title>Comment from Donald on 2003-05-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donald</name>
        <uri>http://www.anzidesign.com/mt/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>As far as I'd ever read, Kozmo actually did very well for the people they employed as their wages were higher than any other bike delivery service in NYC, far steadier, and much easier work. Doesn't sound too much like exploitation to me...</i></p>

<p>And I can just as easily say "The streets in Harlem are paved with gold."  My ability to say it doesn't make it necessarily so ...</p>]]>
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    <published>2003-05-06T03:15:55Z</published>
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